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negotiations until the debt ceiling vote next year.ç president obama won't have it. the president is attacking the only leverage republicans have left. the president spoke to a group of ceos today and said that he will not negotiate if debt ceiling is going to be used as a hostage. >> i have to just tell you, that is a bad strategy for america, it is a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. so i want to send a very clear message to people here. we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history, until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also made it very clear, this is no game. he spoke with cnbc about holding the line with tax increases for the top 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fis
always want to know what you think. >>> coming up, how is president obama supposed to negotiate with republicans who won't realize reality or deal with basic facts? former congressman tom perriello, center for american progress, joining us next.ntur . but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. >>> paul ryan and marco rubio try to reinvent themselves as the warriors for the middle class. buy it? i'll ask congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz if their actions match up with their rhetoric. that's coming up. >>> and the gop's attempt to create an alternate reality seems to be working. find out what almost half of republicans believe abou
the gop to negotiate, obama ends giving in. and peter baker writes that president obama has emerged kind of a different style of negotiator in the past week or two, sticking to the liberal line, frustrating the republicans clearly. this is a strategy his base might like but i'm wondering will it make him a better deal maker? >> it just may mean that republicans ultimately give him close to what he wants on raising tax rates on the top 2%. president obama has been very clear, he was all the way through the campaign that he would not give in on that. so that's i think what's important now. republicans don't like a lot of what was in the white house's opening offer. they dictate the $50 billion stimulus that was in the offer as a slap in the face. some of these little things we'll see taken out of file deal. >> to that point here's john boehner talking about when he saw that opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i just never seen anything like it. you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks
$800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly
, though signed by president obama, was actually negotiated by president george w. bush. but that was not good enough for 38 republicans. republicans made up transparently ridiculous reasons to vote against it. they said it threatened america's sovereignty, even though senator kerry repeatedly showed them that the treaty requires no changes in u.s. law and that the treaty cannot be used as the basis for a lawsuit in u.s. courts. the opponents said it was inappropriate to consider a treaty ma post election lame duck session, never mind that just since i've been watching the senate, they've approved treaties 19 times during lame duck sessions. and then they said, and this is what did it, this is what the 38 no votes were trapped by, the tiniest possible interest group you could imagine affecting the outcome of something so important. the home schooling crowd. then they said that the treaty endangered home schooling. home schooling fanatics expressed worry that the treaty could lead to the government imposing new regulations on the home schooling of disabled children, even
through negotiations, then i think we'll see president obama being an active and full partner. >> martin indyk, thank you very much. thanks for being with us today. >>> and up next, republicans scoffing at the president's opening offer. how will they counter? republican congressman jason chav fit joins us. the wife of an american contractor jailed in cuba turns up the heat in washington. we'll hear from judy gross ahead. >> alan relayed a message to me that i just found overwhelmingly sad. he said, you know, judy, i was sent here by the u.s. government and i feel like i've been dumped here and forgotten. made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> house republicans say they have a laundry list of pro
to watch but it's also how negotiations happen, right? president obama, what i think we saw today, was he won the election and he feels like he's sort of partially broken the republicans. you've had republican movement on taxes in a way you hadn't had a year ago, and so he's decided rather than sort of play the nice guy, he's going to push much harder and see what he can get. there are important things at stake here, and i'm more inclined to agree with the republicans than with the president about what should be done, but i don't think anyone can blame him exactly for pushing at the moment. that's sort of what politicians are supposed to do. >> frank, on that point, the president clearly feels emboldened as you would do by being re-elected. can we expect to see a different obama? it struck me that the one thing he's not that good at actually is negotiating. if you compare him to somebody like bill clinton, i remember interviewing both president clinton and also newt gingrich. after a few early skirmishes which led to big problems, they then sort of got a new system together where they wou
before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washington. >> mitt romney makes his way to the white house. >> the political power lunch of 2012. >> it's n
the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. they've held a hard line to the very end including during the debt limit where john boehner is allowed to say he got 98% of what he wanted. what you have to look for is the splinter that tom cole started last week, heard mr. chris toll say about how the president has an effective bully pulpit he can go around the country and say 98% of americans with a tax cut under my plan, trying to save it for the rich. republicans are coalescing around, if anything, is this idea that in order for the president to move on entitlements, they got to hold this hard line on the bush tax cuts for 250 or above. they don't want any deal that doesn't have to pertain to entitlements. that's why you're seeing the saber rattling that we thought would only be in november continue into december. as of right now there is no clear way forward talking to both sides. >> the -- michael steele, the saber rattling has reached an almost deafening pitch, i think. maybe on both sides. i wonder, you know, from your perspective is bill crystal and tom cole ultima
's up to the republicans. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama and the house speaker spoke for a short time yesterday. nobody knows exactly what they said. and president obama is going to talk to a family in virginia, sort of a deal to get -- why don't both sides go to camp david, lock themselves behind closed doors and come up with a deal? why a pr stunt, visiting voters when that's not going to get a deal done with republicans. >> i certainly would welcome that. i think most americans would. i think what the white house is doing -- and i think it's smart -- making sure that this conversation stays where it should be, with the middle class. the white house has been raising this point. they have this #my2k, explaining to republicans and the country, we can't afford for $2,000 more to hit our tax bill. it's important for the american people to stay engaged and the white house has to keep the american people engaged and this family will be speaking for a lot of people. it doesn't make any sense, even the polls show that the wealthy are willing to pay more taxes.
. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you know what happe
in your face rejection from republicans over the obama administration's opening negotiation on the fiscal cliff. we're going to take to steny hoyer about what this means for talks from here. and he's defending susan rice and his fellow republicans hammer away at her. former presidential candidate ambassador jon huntsman is going to join us to explain all this. and the best part about this, abby huntsman, his daughter, is going to be on the panel. kind of like their first joint appearance. we're saying ever. we have to fact check that. but we're making history this morning. plus russell simmons bringing art to kids in urban areas. why he's so passion about this cause. and this is a picture everyone on the planet is talking about. the cop who warmed the hears of everyone who's seen this photo, he's going to join us. that and much more coming up on "starting point." it's like 15 minutes away. it's friday. what could be better? >> that is a sharpie, not a pen. thought i'd correct you. >> 44 minutes past the hour. people on the west coast bracing for the threat of flooding and mudslides. meteo
and real irony is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. there are some in the republican party like congressman tom cole congress them saying let's just do that. let the rates go up for those at the top, then wait and negotiate. is there anything about that that you think could make sense? >> that's not a negotiation. the president's not going to then lower those rates. >> that might be a capitulation. >> yeah, it is a capitulation. the president thinks he's got all the cards. the republicans position improves at the beginning of the year and frankly, there are a number of people coming back, people who contributed to this mess and i'm not sure as
as leverage in a negotiation. >> yesterday, president obama met with corporate ceos who said that a compromise is essential to avoiding the so-called fiscal cliff. here is ceo lloyd blankfein. >> reporter: if this were easy, we wouldn't be standing here having come fabs at the white house how to achieve it. it's going to be difficult. i think what we try to do is we try to get in as good a place as we possibly can. i would rather have more of the -- more of the taxes deferred to beyond the period where the economy is weak. >> well, maybe all of this is working. markets around the world are up today, a sign of confidence that a fiscal cliff deal just might be in the works. we'll see. another positive sign for the economy, the broadest picture we can get of the economy's health, gdp, came in quite a bit better than expected in the third quarter. alison kosik at the new york stock exchange to explain. hi. >> reporter: hey, carol. so between july and september, the economy grew at a 2.7% rate. so that came in much better than second quarter's rate, which was 1.3%. and there's definitely good stuff
? >> it is interesting if you look at the negotiations that president obama offered this massive tax increase with no concessions and this sort of outrageous request on the debt limit which was a really aggressive first offer. and then the republican s countered with a moderate reasonable plan exactly modeled after a proposal by erskine bowles. so if you're trying to handicap the negotiations, you'd have to concede that dana is on to something. >> really. so -- >> at least like the starting point. so basically the starting point for the republicans is what president obama probably would have viewed as a victory if they had the negotiation. >> yeah, he wanted another 400 supposed supposedly. how does simpson-bowles get to -- how does it raise revenue? what's the number that it raises? >> well, it depends because they have a bunch of different simpson-bowles plans. like in the bowles-simpson report, there are three different tax plans and then the thing that the republicans modeled after was something that bowles said in a hearing. >> it's interesting when you look at what these plans are laid
be a diplomat negotiating with heads of state? i don't see it. >> i think obama has to be stuck here, that he is threatening to exile the queen of american fashion. going to be completely disrupted, take out anna win tour. no regime change. >> breaking news on netflix and disney. >> netflix shares popping now on an announcement that netflix and walt disney studios announced a multiyear deal to make netflix the exclusive u.s. subscription tv service for first-run live action and animated features from the walt disney studios a big deal, netflix secured similar deals with other smaller studios, like dream works animation. disney is certainly the biggest deal of its kind, the first major studio to come on board for netflix for this kind of deal. this is going to start with its 2016 theatrically released feature films and also a big deal because disney was part of a starz deal that expired with netflix this year, shows those disney films, key for the family demographic, getting back on netflix. clearly, must be good for netflix -- for disney, otherwise they wouldn't have signed this deal. talked
narrative of punishing success. what role is mitch mcconnell going to serve in these negotiations at all? >> he'll play a very key role. although you really have to keep in mind the final deal is really going to be struck between president obama and speaker boehner. and those are really the two people to watch. and their staffs right now. of course, mitch mcconnell will play a key role in bringing around senate republicans, excuse me. but it's really between the house republicans and the white house at this point. you know, we have to watch and see what they do. i think there's a lot of public posturing. but i do think that all these people have been at this table before. they're very familiar with the contours of what they will agree to from the debt ceiling negotiations. and so it's really just a matter of getting closer and closer to that deadline, having the markets start to freak out and then realizing that they have to come up with something. >> seems like there's a lot of public theater going on with this one. >> quickly on michael's point, if the mandates for compromise, accusing
the best thing president abbas could do is agree to come back to the negotiating table without any preconditions, with the israelis, and i appreciate the position that the obama administration has taken in this in trying to to convince the palestinian authority not to ask for this vote at u.n. it undercuts trust and it doesn't help the palestinian cause on the ground, i don't believe, because ultimately, the palestinian people are not going to attain statehood through the united nations. they're going to attain sta statehood as a result of negotiations with the israeli government. >> senator lieberman, thank you very inch. >> thank you. good day. >> you, too. and coming up next, the verdict on the inquiry into the british hacking scandal next on "andrea mitchell reports." twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for th
the way obama started here at all. i mean, there were two ways to start the negotiations. one was did you ever see into guys like haggle over something and one guy says a dollar and the other guy says 1,000. and that's where they seem to have started. he could have started at 500 and then the republicans could have said maybe 100. but he started this thing, he put his foot forward like you know what, i'm willing to play this to the bitter end. this wasn't a thing that said let's get it done quickly. he sent geithner over. he used geithner's political capital which i think was a mistake for geithner. >> he's leaving. >> but it's like using -- >> going back to goldman. >> where he started. >> where he cut his teeth. >> like using a pitcher because you don't care about his arm at the end of the season. so you threw him out there and you send him over with -- and you also let the republicans characterize the plan. which from a pr standpoint i don't think was that smart. so i think they blew that one. but ultimately it strikes knee obama did not suggest, you know whark what, i want to get it d
gregory literally asked do you think president obama should bring mitt romney in to negotiate the fiscal cliff. >> caller: i think my brain unattached from my spine when i heard that. [ laughter ] >> caller: i can't -- david gregory should be ashamed of himself, and i really think they need to change it to meet the pushover. and the democrats have to understand that that's how grover got his power is flying under the radar. nobody knows who this guy is. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: some of these senator are realigning themselves with him now. >> stephanie: i know. >> caller: they say i would break the pledge, but now -- i can't remember the one senator's name, but he called up and grover just gave him a what for, and he goes i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i'm like are you kidding me? >> stephanie: sorry grover. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you should never have to say sorry to anybody named grover. >> exactly. >> stephanie: all right. we'll get the latest on what charlie pierce thinks on the fiscal cliff and much more as we continue on the "stephanie miller
party could do what they want to alone, like the first two years that obama was president, we got obama care and other pieces of legislation. i think people want well thought out negotiated bipartisan solutions to the problem. you don't get that when the president has no plan to close that hole and to deal with medicare and social. and he spends his time not around the negotiating table, but rather conducting rallys outside of town. i just think he's not serious about this. >> the president has said he would support raising the age for medicare coverage for a ten-year period. >> he has said a lot of things at different times, but he has not placed those on the table. we have leading senators like senator durbin who has the courage to deal with these issues. he was on the simpson-bowles committee who said that we can't deal with those now in the dealing with the fiscal cliff, we need to put that off into the future. my experience is what you put off to the future never happen here. >> i hope we can get a deal. >>> me too. >>. >>> great to see both of you. john let me start with you. corn
not be out the road campaigning but back here in washington negotiating. >> dan, i will ask you to look into your crystal ball. president obama is meeting with mitt romney later today. do you have any idea what they plan to discuss? >> you know, there's a lot of speculation about governor romney playing a role in the administration. but the president himself, during his victory speech after he was re-elected talked about wanting to sit down with mitt romney to talk about ways of moving the country forward. during his post re-election news conference, the president was asked about what roles he could play or if -- what the president hoped to gain from him. the president talked about how mitt romney did a good job with the olympics, and he thought in turning around the olympics, some of that could be used to streamline government and make it more user friendly. that's what we expect for the president to be discussing with mitt romney when they sit down today for lunch at the white house. of course everyone is speculating about some possible role he could play in this white house. it's int
negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >>
ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> with the internet streaming space, hey, there melissa, we're looking at netflix bouncing around based on comments from the chief content cipher but the stock took a bit of a hit when he said that netflix has to plans to cover the costs of the disney deal. nevertheless causing the stock to come off the best levels of the day. back to you, carl. >>> the president is about to speak in front of the business roundtable. good morning, john. >> good morning, carl. he's talking to the business roundtable. you can expect him to highli
of this negotiation. >> eamon javers, thank you. >>> john harwood has the latest on mr. obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a catastrophic standoff in mid 2011 that caused the downgrade in u.s. credit. president said he's simply not going to negotiate in the negotiating process that results in the same kind of stand-off. here is the president. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation? which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game because we've got to break that habit bef
, they are flying even if the actual negotiations are at a stand still. president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, take knowledge of that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. >> where are the specifics, where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage from tax cuts for the middle -- for the rich. >> i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give your answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this s this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> debt ceiling, let's go to the white
blocked the committee from withdrawing his nomination. >> now to washington where president obama is warning republicans not to use the fiscal cliff as a borrowing limit. both sides seem to be digging in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away. >> with no solution in sight the white house budget is now ordering the pentagon and other an an jencies to finalize their plan to avoid massive spending cuts. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looki
for that and these negotiations that take place. >> so democrats want credit for cutting a billion dollars when -- >> he meant a trillion dollars. >> and obama has put together a deal that proposes more spending, 400 billion in unspecified cuts that will be named later apparently. i thought the president wanted a balanced package. what's balanced about 4:1 tax hikes to spending cuts? >> well, first let me say harry misspoke. he meant that they've already done a trillion dollars in cuts in the last resolution and those play out over the next ten years. and that's correct. that's a fact. and the president has said consistently both on the campaign trail and after the election that he's for something on the lines of simpson-bowles which is at least 2.5:1 spending cuts to taxes. and i think he laid out the 400 and then said to the republicans you bring me other cuts and i'll consider them. and i think he understands that there will be significantly more spending cuts including on entitlements than there are taxes. >> so this is an opening point. >> an opening gambit as chris ten wel kristen welker said. the presi
president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop there, because let's say the white hous
spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case,
's the right guy to be sitting in that room doing negotiating. >> they have tried the boehner/obama dynamic before. the lessons from that weren't universally positive. >> you have to keep at it. that's what the american people expect of everybody in washington to sit down and work together and work this thing out and not use other people to be your spokesperson and trying to work out negotiation. the president needs to be here in washington, d.c. in the conference room working out this problem. that's what he was elected to do. >> clearly he will be in pennsylvania and watching that as well. congressman, thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. >> congressman jim gerlach. >>> coming up next, rick santelli is champing at the bit today so we moved up santelli exchange an hour earlier. don't miss his take on costco. >> we have an exclusive interview with goldman sachs chief u.s. equity strategist david kostin. he thinks the market will rise 12% next year. he'll give you his five best investment ideas. stay with us. if you are one of the millions of men who have used
are saying this is just president obama campaigning. they're angry that he's off selling this proposal to the public instead of sitting down at the table with them and negotiating back in washington. it's a great shot, though, to watch marine one take off regardless of how you feel about it. dan lothian gets to watch it's a regular basis. >> reporter: i do. >> he's on the lawn right now. you did. he's off and running and a lot of people are angry about it, dan, saying it's not the time to sell it to the public. that's a tactic. but let's get to the nuts and bolts about it. $1.6 trillion in new taxes, it doesn't ever sit well, but there are versions of this, there are elements to it. break it down. >> reporter: right, $1.6 trillion new taxes in over 10 years and republicans saying they're surprised by this because they felt that what the president was putting out there was half of that, and just a short time ago josh ernest, a deputy white house spokesman in a gaggle of reporters that he's saying he's surprised that republicans are surprised. but i'll break it down for you, timothy geit
and will also lead to incremental job creation. >> negotiations continue on the fiscal cliff. obama appeared yesterday to raise prospect that some sort of modification on the deduction for interest payments could be put on the table. there are many people within the housing industry that go screaming around like headless chickens at the prospect of that. do you think it would have a huge impact if it came through? >> the biggest single risk that could derail the housing recovery. we're in the second or third innings out of nine. anything that flexes downward deductibility of interest expense for home mortgages is potentially catastrophic threat to the recovery. >> really? do you think that in the toll brothers space that whether or not people get a check for $10,000 is going to affect whether they purchase a house? >> what we're really talking about here, simon, is the incremental buyer on the margin. it's a question of do we have buyers? yes. are the number of buyers increasing? something which takes $10,000 out of your pocket will make you less likely to buy a house. it will have a negativ
, it's not clear that both sides know. the week after the election, president obama was asked do you have to have the higher rates or could we have deductions and credits and he said he was open to negotiations. three weeks later, after thanksgiving, he shows up and all of a sudden there's a line in the sand on rates that had come out of nowhere, so the president seems to be moving the goal posts in a deliberate effort, i don't know, to extract something, to push people over the fiscal cliff. something's going on and it's not clear because he's not where he used to be. he's quadrupled the amount of taxes he demands. he now has to have rates instead of just numbers. it's going to be interesting what he is doing but it appears he's not trying to come to any agreement. his position is one that the senate, the democratic senate, has rejected in the past. >> robert reish, 60% of americans according to a new abc news/"the washington post" poll believes they should raise taxes on those over $250,000 a year. presumably president obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and w
through the weekend and those backroom negotiations continue at a furious pace. >> despite this bipartisan support for the deal, it's a deal nobody wants to take credit for. >> reporter: president obama today didn't praise the deal, only expressed relief. >> all eyes will be on the stock market tomorrow, after the s&p's announcement friday night of the unprecedented downgrade of america's credit rating. >> stocks plummeted overnight in asia, europe is following suit this morning, as fear dominates wall street. now the focus turns to the fed, and investors are hoping for some good news later today, after suffering the worst day in two years. >> credit rating agency basically said, we no longer have faith in you, the united states government, because we no longer believe your political system is capable of basic ç competence. the basic competence necessary to pay your bills. that republican-made, self-inflicted crisis and the resolution to it created this current man-made self-inflicted crisis that we're in right now. one we're lamely calling the fiscal cliff. the way republicans in congre
that is ages. that is a very long time for them to negotiate and come up with a deal. >> and, jason, president obama is returning to a tactic that he's used in the past. he's taken the pitch on taxes directly to the american people in a trip to pennsylvania today. house speaker john boehner not so happy about it. let's listen for a minute -- >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and one-sided leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> well, republicans are reportedly planning their own fiscal cliff pr campaign designed to show that the democrats are simply digging in, they're being stubborn, election is over, shouldn't both sides be focused on doing the job they were elected to do. how do you see it? >> look, you're going to have a bunch of rallying on both sides and some of this is theatrics. it's christmastime. you know how you tell your kids you have to be really good or santa's not going to give you what you want but you know you will buy t
along. so in that respect, doesn't this seem just a little too bold and certainly not like the obama of the last term. >> well, that's music to my ears because i think john boehner got the better of the president frankly, speaker boehner, in the last negotiations that they had in 2011, and it suggests that the president, he does, he has the wind at his back. the piece that's sticking right now should be the easiest, which is locking in 98% of the bush tax cuts. this was something mary worked hard on, people like me opposed them, democrats hated those bush tax cuts. now the president is willing to enshrine 98% of those tax cuts and the republicans can't take yes for an answer because they are not really fighting for lower taxes, they're fighting for the upper 2% of inco earners and that's a losing proposition. 70% of americans think those of us who are blessed and are upper income americans ought to pay a little bit more. >> so mary, why doesn't that make sense? shouldn't the winner come in as paul said with the wind at his back, he does have a mandate. >> he does not have a mandate.
the president's plan. i've done enough negotiations in business to understand who is negotiating in good faith wlorks is moving the goal posts. i think it's time right now for president obama to show the american people his full balanced plan. we haven't seen it. democrats haven't passed a budget in over three years. there's not one democrat that has voted for a plan yet. until republicans see the plan from the president, from democrats, it's very difficult for us to be compromising if anything. right now we're just negotiating with ourselves. that's really a pretty bad negotiating strategy. we should stop doing that, we should be talking about not playing brinkmanship. what we should do is extend all the current rates permanently. that would return certainty to the economy. it would restore confidence. and that's probably the biggest thing we need to do to grow our economy. let's quit having these fiscal cliffs. and let's not be threatening government shut downs. let's sit down in a good faith effort and that's what president obama is not doing. he's back on the campaign trail which will is u
. doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it. president obama wouldn't sign such a bill and the american people won't support it. >> you don't get people together until they finally sit down at the table and negotiate. it's still too much posturing, still too much the president wants his way, somebody else wants it that way. >> the gop's opening bid includes $2.2 trillion in tax reform, entitlement reform. but here's the problem, it includes no tax hike for the top 2% that republicans must have and something that the president repeated on the campaign trail. >> the obstacle here continues to be republicans who hold out hope that we can somehow go through this process and still deliver tax cuts to millionaire and billionaires. and that's just not going to happen. >> with just 28 days to go, who will make the next move in this fiscal faceoff? >> john boehner's counteroffer was pathetic. even the tea party members are saying that it was pathetic. this republican party in the house pet better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from. >>
republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where ar
and the fiscal cliff is negotiated, let's hope so, with some sort of solution. this issue is an issue for later in 2013 or maybe even in the second year of an obama administration, because the prospects of making it work now, michael, are slim to none. >> and so it goes on when it comes to israeli palestinian conflict. thanks so much. good to get your thoughts. aaron david miller from the woodrow wilson international center. good to chat with you. >>> the u.s. has fought a hard battle against terrorism over the years and its primary opponent has been recently al qaeda. now we are learning more about the activities of one of its affiliates, a dangerous one in yemen. we'll have a live report. do stay with us. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12 years. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
way and they seem to be rallying around the speaker and his negotiations at this point. there's no budging on either side. >> they said there was a lot of support there. president obama said i'm sticking to my guns also. the president is warning the republicans next move will be to use the upcoming vote on the debt ceiling as leverage in the budget battle. let's listen. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> i will not play that game. >> yes. >> is that something republicans are considering, and if so, i guess how would the white house respond? although i guess we're seeing a little bit of it there. >> i think you clearly see how the president would respond. this is where the question of leverage comes in to play. he came out of the election, he says that he ran on this issue of raising tax rates on wealthy. he believes he is very much
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